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Egyptian Man Brings 3-Year-Old Daughter to Tears, Forcing Her to Demonstrate Her Koran-Reciting Skills Live on TV
What a waste. She is so intelligent and they have her spewing crap.
that poor child :(
that was disgusting- the abuse is disgusting- they forced her using lollypops and candy to say a few lines and then she started crying becasue SHE WANTED MORE SWEETS! and then they wouldnt give her anymore sweets till she said a few lines and ...welll it was just sickening abuse...terrible terrible oh my god- these people are sick- giving kids sweets like this! when I was a kid- I never was bribed to do things with sweets- and in the west NO KID EVER CRIES. this is just disgusting. amen.
I do not see a difference between this and a Christian parent forcing their children to read the bible. I remember plenty of times crying and not wanting to read the bible and getting punished if I didnt...maybe I would have been more compliant if I had gotten treats.
Muslims are SICK
Hey now, this is strange to watch, but the adults aren't really being harsh here. The child is crying because she would like some candy, and not really because of the reading. She's quite intelligent to be reading at the age. She seems to be a little spoiled by her father, nothing too wrong with that at her age. It's not too out of the ordinary for any type of religious family to have their kids reading the holy text. I've been reading the Qur'an from an early age, and I turned out to be quite the atheist :) .
You can learn a Parrot how to ride on a bike, but is isn't a Parrot anymore. These 'adults' are blind for the real needs of this child. Like the most parents are.
@Per- you are exactly what the atheist community doesnt need: knee jerk reactionary emotionally charged blinded by emotional responses. Please fuck off. As for the rest of you- well done- not meaning to sound condesending- but it will probably sound like that anyway. sorry. As for this atheist blog- its really gone down hill lately and seems to be swaying more in favour of just being more of a daily mail type. I dont know...this video just seems fucking pointless and just proves that kids love candy. please atheist media- come back to us.
There is no difference. This is atheistmedia.com, not islamismadeoffail.com. We don't discriminate between the two, equally murderous and ridiculous religions, or any other for that matter. They're all equally appalling.
Right cider you are so clever... except for the bit where you cant see the brainwashing of children... you see it as some video on candy.
@doctorE I totally can see the brainwashing of children, in this video, in america, in th UK , on tv, everywhere. so whats your point?
How dare they posion a child...And, the claim that non-Muslim children have never recited their religious texts is false.I know of a Mormon family who, at every meal, trains their kids to recite the 13 articles of faith (key verses from the Book of Mormon), and many other verses. They've also read through the Book of Mormon 2 times.Their kids are 2, 4, and 6 years old. (They must have children constantly, being Mormon). The 2 year old, who can barely speak, can recite each of the Articles of Faith.
<span>The atheist community may not need knee jerk, reactionary, emotional individuals of the sort you're bitching about, but we also don't need the kind of spineless, quisling, milquetoast individuals of the kind that you apparently represent either. All you seem to do around here is complain about how this site never posts 'good videos' anymore and how it's constantly 'going down hill'. Well the internet is pretty fucking huge, so why don't you take some of your own advice and fuck off to somewhere else you think is better.</span>
<p>That you're not only ignorant but blind as a mole as well, that's the point. Isn't it time to run yet?</p>
@zZz whats your point? You say they are brainwashing a child- I believe that to be true- in the sense that every child born into a 'belief system' is brain washed, and child that watches TV is brainwashed. I agree its bad, its not good and its dangerous. so, again, whats your point?
and please Thiest Media- what gives with the 'forced' in the title of this? you really are pushing the pat condell limits here.
<span>"Forced" doesn't necessarily imply violence - she was clearly reading against her will - go troll somewhere else</span>
This is simply home based Allah Camp.. you know, like Jesus camp.
<p>"@zZz whats your point?"</p><p>Just read it again, word for word and do take your time, it's all there. And while you're at it, re-read all of your own posts there too. ^^</p><p><span>"You say they are brainwashing a child- I believe that to be true- in the sense that every child born into a 'belief system' is brain washed, and child that watches TV is brainwashed."</span></p><p>No Cider, that is what you said. You might want to compare this sad case with watching stuff like Teletubbies, Sesame Street and Dora the explorer? Get real! Children who grow up in religious environments tend to get brainwashed (in different and similar degrees) with religious nonsense, and sure, TV can have a brainwashing effect on children as well just as the internet, video games and more things in life can, don't pretend people here are barely aware of such facts. When a news agency reports about a devastating earthquake in Japan, you'll probably start whining about the fact that hurricanes in the USA have proven to be devastating as well and that this news agency totally neglected to mention that fact in their report on the earthquake in Japan. You should re-boot out of brain-fallacy-mode and do a better job using that grey mass of yours, I'm sure you can.</p><p><span>"I agree its bad, its not good and its dangerous. so, again, whats your point?"</span></p><p>Can I safely assume you're not talking about sweets here?</p><p><span>"and please Thiest Media- what gives with the 'forced' in the title of this?"</span></p><p>Ctrl-Alt-Delete, when everything blanks out start tapping F8.</p><p><span>"you really are pushing the pat condell limits here."</span></p><p>There are other threads where that comment might be on-topic, however that still won't change the fact its content is empty.</p>
Fuck, even Pavlov treated his dogs better than the girl's father.
I have to agree somewhat with 'cider' here. The video is titled as if the little girl is being forced to recite the koran against her will and is brought to tears by it in a blatant form of religious abuse of a child. But the reality is that she is crying because she wants some candy. The father did not "bring her to tears". The father and the TV host are quite gentle with her, but little kids cry all the time - especially if their immediate desires are not being met.That being said, the text of the document she is reciting is abhorrent and it is disturbing to see the juxtaposition with such a small child
I guess we should be glad she's at least being taught to read...
Me and some others here are finding it exceedingly difficult to locate the point in the video where she wants to read the Qur'an. This has all been explained above, 'force' isn't mutually inclusive with violence...
Bob - you say "Force isn't mutually inclusive with violence . . ." Instead of saying what 'force' doesn't have to mean perhaps you could provide a definition of force that corresponds to the content of this video? If your definition of 'force' includes 'bribery' and 'coaxing', I am afraid then we simply disagree over the proper use of that word.If the objection is that children shouldn't appear on TV and do something that they don't explicitly want to do, then fine. Then it should not matter whether the child is reading the Koran, an encyclopedia, dancing, or telling a joke. The religious content does not enter into it.
"If the objection is that children shouldn't appear on TV and do something that they don't explicitly want to do, then fine."So I take it we agree on 'force' then?And you're right, it doesn't matter what they're being forced to do. That doesn't in any way remove the religious content, and it does enter into it, because from what I could ascertain, she was forced to recite the Qur'an, a religious text, if I'm to remember correctly...If she was in fact being forced to recite a Wikipedia article on Photons, I can say I wouldn't be equally appalled. I would still be moved, to an extent, over the exploitation of a child, but the Wikipedia page on Photons doesn't have a lot to do with genocide, or dictates how one should live his life, nor does it open with "Fight them." It also wouldn't be on AtheistMedia.
Bob - No we don't agree on force. I think the problem here is the disagreement between us is narrow. I think the way the video is titled is untrue. My point of view is taken as someone with young children and what I see in this video is a child being coaxed and bribed not 'forced' in any meaningful way. I see a child crying when she doesn't get her way - something I see several times a day from my son; whether it is not getting a cookie, having to get his pajamas on, or not being allowed to poke his sister in the eye. To suggest that one needs to determine what a 3 year old 'wants' before you can get her to act, to me is something that could only be suggested by someone who does not interact with young children.