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A heated rally outside London's Downing Street sparked counter-demonstrations and chaos. Muslim protestors had gathered - calling for aspects of Sharia Law to be introduced into Britain.
You want sharia go to live in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, stay in UK if you want Freedom.
To be fair, the UK already allows religious courts for Jews.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7233040.stm
this is the problem with our modern society, certain ideas seem to be against criticism.. especially with the muslims! there needs to be a voice that shows the clear superior democratic law instated in UK vs stone age sharia law. Why do we not see muslims yelling back at these radicals? every muslim i know would avidly defend sharia law, but when asked "do you wanna live in a country where they have it?" they say no.
Is there a government backed group dedicated to fighting these extremists? Or is it just the enraged citizenry of the EDL?
yea i wouldn't want shariah law- but if these people want to sort out their problems by some sort of private law system for civil disputes i see no problem if they want to do so in their sharia style- since they can't affect anyone else but themselves and other muslims who voluntarily subscribe to those courts.
Indoctrination is an inherently coercive process. I have a problem with characterizing members of a religion as voluntarily choosing to belong to that religion.I also have a problem with sharia courts because women do not have equal standing in Muslim culture. To allow those courts to operate is to abdicate our duty as a society to serve justice equally to all people. You should be ashamed of yourself to throw women under the bus like that.
lol- you are the one saying that women don't have the understanding to choose for themselves what court would they go to! dude thats beyond sexist...shame on you for belittling women like that...private legal systems are part of our legal culture - there is nothing wrong if they choose to use these laws as a form of private arbitration. Use your head a bit more and take your emotions out of it- if a women wants to subject herself to these laws it is up to her...and the laws that women would be involved in would be divorce and inheritance laws under sharia if they aren't happy with the outcome they could always choose our normal legislative laws. Please don't pretend you know or are more intelligent that others- so you want to make decisions for them...that is beyond disgusting. If they dont want to live like us they have that right. noob. especially when they aren't infringing on your right to live how you want - you sound like those christians that want to ban gay marriage because somehow it "hurts" heterosexual marriage- when the 2 have nothing to do with each other. Each to his own.
So you think every woman under sharia law is free to leave this situation?The problem here is that some people would not have the same rights as others, not as a matter of "<span>private arbitration"</span>. If somebody decides to kill somebody else that is not me... i should not care because "<span>they aren't infringing on my right to live how I want"?</span>I do not understand your point about gay marriage...
If you want to be ruled by terror, fuck the hell off back home.
@guest- i was talking about sharia law in western countries and not total state sharia law- the basic principle here is- if 2 consenting adults agree to solve their dispute in a manner they are both happy with- no one has a right to stop them- whether you call that sharia law or not is a different question- the only difference is these people have their religious ideas that they agree to decide the issues amongst themselves- nothing wrong with that. As one of the previous posts showed there already is private jewish law being applied between consenting adults. chek the link.My point about the gay marriage issue- is that the same argument is used by those on the christian right that claim that gay marriage destroys the institution of marriage- when in fact it has nothing to do with 'normal' marriage. The same applies here- all these people are claiming that using sharia law in private disputes will somehow affect them- but in reality it has nothing to do with most of us who will never subject ourselves to that law as an option to solve our legal issues. If these people want this law imposed on everyone they can get fucked- but im sure all they want is to be allowed to solve their matters in their own way- hell we need their help anyway since the legal system is so overburdened anyway they can go do things their own way- and leave our secular courts to those who genuinely want to use them!
I disagree. What would they consider private? And if it private then how do people know that the law is followed?
I feel for those ppl in Britian that have those types of radicals being allowed to walk the streets. That shit would not fly here in the states,if it did you better believe there'd be some equally angry amerians protesting against them. Shortly followed by some riot. I'm disgusted how the Muslim movement is slowly infecting the rest of the world. Enough is enough, when will someone with authority step up and say,"No, you can't pull your crap here." sharia law in britain, a mosque in NYC, what next??
The problem with Sharia courts is that Sharia is a religious law of a religious community, and religious communities teach their children from and towards a religious bias.Sharia courts can be a voluntary process under mutual agreement now, but withing a generation or two of religious upbringing, the voluntary and mutual agreement part could become (under religious teaching) a meaningless ritual a religious person must abide in order to be heard in court. (being taught the religious court is the only one they can to go to)I'm with you, Common. I agree religious people should have their private courts for whatever they want to stick their religion on... Under one condition!Every religious court must have a representitive of the secular legal system, who must remind (and possibly explain to) the participents about the secular legal system and make sure they make an informed decision, before any religious litigation.
Yeah, let's lock up the English Defence League, because THEY'RE clearly the racist hatmongers here by virtue of their being white :-E
Whole lot of men in the pro-Sharia law group... I also take huge issue with immediately arresting the EDL. Since when do you need permission to protest in democracy?? This was an issue in Canada a little while ago, one which I am certain is not dead. I am in law, so I strongly oppose anything other than secular law. I despise that there are jewish based courts in Canada.
@not guilty. I'm with you. The EDL shows up and they get arrested for not "having permission" would they reverse have happened? Or would they have been allowed to protest for fear of trampling on their civil rights? I'm over their hair trigger sensitivity. And as for the Jews,=] don't get me going on the Heebs. Everyone should just be governed by securlar law.
So, uuuh, "Muslims against the crusades" decides the only way to end the crusades is to have sharia law all over britain/europe? Did I hear that right? Could be me but isn't that equal to _winning_ the crusades, from their point of view? Maybe they think they did, considering how they keep chanting how big allah's ego is in a secular country.Oh, and why is it I only hear Muslims bitch and moan over those crusades, isn't it time we told them these are long gone? The big crusades I mean. Or is any attack on a muslim/islamic country currently considered a crusade?As for having seperate courts within a single society... Are they insane? Why would you want to do a thing like that? I thought a secular democracy was something where we all subscribe to the same rules which are created on the basis of what the majority thinks is a good idea, with a chance for the minority to have reservations. Having multiple different courts, and probably a multitude of different incompatible law-books, doesn't sound like the way to go.
comon: Your name should have been Moron Not Comon. Or does Comon mean Moron in your lingo.Comon .... Go read the Kuran ... read the sahria law before talking about anyone belittling women. Knuckle head
Also religious public schools.One of the terrible legacies of Tony Blair.
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EDL is not racist because they support Israel . They against Nazi Hitler. They are British Patroitic and tell the truth. You are traitor of UK.
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Sharia law unfortunately was an ideology that was written 1400 years ago no where relevant with modern western society as is today. You will never be able to implement it without revising it to today's standards of human rights. That being said I am all in favor of laws that please all the people of all cultures and religions as long as that doesn't strip one sect of people of losing their rights as well but remember that in itself would not be sharia law but in itself something else. I have respect for anyones beliefs but one must respect others at the same time to be considered a reality. As much as I respect the Muslim culture of peace and the peaceful people that follow it I am never going to become Muslim myself and therefore do not want my personal rights of freedom of choice and religion to be hindered because some laws implemented guide my way to true salvation. If one cannot choose religion one has no choice and if one has no choice one is truly not religious but a follower. I think that it is wrong to criticize ones religion but I think that everyone is critical to what another believes just read the Toran, Scriptures or the Koran, they all have favoritism towards their own people. What God would have favorites, only a God that was made in the eyes of man not the supernatural being that all of us on the planet have a respect for. Evan atheist truly have a god just that god is an infinite energy source that is eternal.
What do you mean by "<span>truly have a god"?</span>
Insults are not a basis for an arguement regaurdless of the validity of your beliefs. The person that you are addressing seems to understand this, whether they are right or wrong is another issue.
You country is messed up.This would be the worst decision in history for a country.You want Sharia law go back to Pakistan you dumb idiots
I think it would be prudent not to allow any sort of independent Middle Eastern legal system in our existing democracy. Polarizing the legal system would be a huge mistake.This would be an extraordinary breech of the British constitution. It clearly specifies that religion and legislation should not mix.Most Muslims tend to gravitate towards the more fundamentalist ideologies, and these people want to work their way into the political system and alter your laws and to impose brands of legislation based on brutal desert tribe taboos.At the moment, what we’re seeing in European sharia courts are primarily property disputes, but that could change sooner than you think.<span> </span>We could see such things as forced marriage, forced genital mutilations and laws that will restrict your free speech.Let’s not pretend that these people aren’t following a strict religious agenda.