Tuesday, January 19, 2010

U.S. Military Rifle Scopes Inscribed With Bible Verses


Janauary 18, 2010 on MSNBC with Rachel Maddow
From ABC News:
Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.
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21 comments:

  1. She makes some very good points.

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  2. It wouldn't surprise me if this was true, given the  way the US military has been ignoring its constitutional separation of church and state responsibilities lately.  However, she doesn't show her sources and for a claim like this I'd like to see sources cited.  Why?  Because a string of digits and letters embedded with the serial number and part number could just be coincidence.  The leap of logic from the string seen and the inference that they are bible references might be the same sort of baseless numerology as some bible scholars like to use - inserting meaning into random strings of numbers and letters.  So if she's going to make this claim she should show some evidence that this was the intent of that string in the ID gibberish.

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  3. But isn´t the companys response a sort of evidence? saying that the people that have a problem with this is "not christian". They obviously dont see the risk that rachel maddow does or they dont care.

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  4. At 1:53, "The company admitted to ABC news that it is printing bible verses on them. It's not inadvertent; it's on purpose."
    I'd have agreed with you, if she hadn't said that.

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  5. Trijicon makes illuminated sights which has tritium in them thats why the bible quotes are about light. Also this is not commanded by the US Army but is somthing the company prints as part of thier scope-code. So the US Army is not to blame. And had she not broadcasted it, muslims had problery never found out that a manufacture of sights for the US Army is "christian", so who is it realy that is indangering the US soldiers? Also the Red dot sight mostly used in the US Army is made in Sweden, I think Muslims(very generalising) dislike secular/atheist even more than Chirstians?

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  6. Soren: Wonderful rationalization. I'm gonna cut and paste your explanation and send it to every terrorist muslim I know because I find most to be quite reasonable and amenable to reasonable explanations. I'm sure they won't blame the army.
    And you're right: She should be held responsible for any muslim fallout. I for one don't want to be informed about what's going on if it's going to anger somebody somewhere.

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  7. <span> "I think Muslims(very generalising) dislike secular/atheist even more than Chirstians?"</span>

    I believe were all lumped together as non-believers. As for it being the companies fault, now that this has becoming apparent, I'm fairly sure the army has a duty to cease whatever contract they have with the company.

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  8. I saw the more detailed ABC Dateline story about this last night.  It included comments by MRFF  President Mikey Weinstein. (MRFF = Military Religious Freedom Foundation.) There is a follow up print story today: Marine Corps Concerned About 'Jesus Guns,' Will Meet With Trijicon.

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  9. To start the video, click on the image that's within the printed text.

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  10. Wonder if they have any holy hand grenades.

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  11. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

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  12. Well okay what are you talking about? She was the one saying that having that code on the scope sends the signal that its a religios war, but the code is barely watchable, and you really need to bring it to atention in the press for enybody to really notice. I don't understand why you don't wanna be informed seems rather strange to me?

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  13. Sorry Soren, have no idea what you're saying here. I personally find it rather important to know that the arms manufacturers supplying our guns and bombs are religious nutjobs.
    How about tactical nuclear weapons inscribed with the first commandement? or "to Saeed with love."
    On the other hand, looks like the military is on your side, according to this acticle:

    "The perfect parallel that I see," said Maj. John Redfield, spokesperson for CentCom, told ABC News, "is between the statement that's on the back of our dollar bills, which is 'In God We Trust,' and we haven't moved away from that."
    Said Redfield, "Unless the equipment that's being used that has these inscriptions proved to be less than effective for soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and military folks using it, I wouldn't see why we would stop using that."

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  14. I was merly trying to point out that this is making a problem out of nothing and that i my opinion she is in a really bad position to acuse the company of indangering the troops, when it is what she is doing, reporting a non problem, which can be used by our(I am not american) ennemy for propaganda pourposes. Had this problem not been made up, its not even news I have known about this in for years, it would not have been a problem as I said you can't barly read it and then its only letters and numbers which only makes sense, if you use that combination in a bible, there is no actual bible verse on the scope. The ACOG sight which is what we are talking about, is a very popular sight and as fare as I can tell highly regarded by soldiers, there is no point in stopping to use this scope because its inventor belived in a god.

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  15. The manufacturer admits to the references.  This is not someone claiming meaning where there is none.

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  16. Good For Trijicon they should keep on doing what they are doing. If we did everything that the enemy wants us to do  we would ALL lay down and DIE..... This COUNTRY was built on FREEDOM of SPEACH, BUT BEFORE THAT IT WAS BUILT ON FREEDOM OF RELIGEION . OUR ANSESTORS MOVED HERE TO GET AWAY FROM OPPRESSION BUT IT FOLLOWED US HERE.....PEOPLE WANT TO CLAIM THAT WANT THE FREEDOM THAT AMERICA STANDS FOR BUT THE MUINTE THEY GET HERE THEY AMERICANS TO CHANGE TO THEIR WAYS.  AND THEY CALL US WRONG

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